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from the del mar by here at tam 2013

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hey Richard hey Stefan what the hell was

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that you mean right at the front of the

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show well that was a little clip a

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little snip a little insight to the

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merriment and murph and general

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carryings-on at the the amazing meeting

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in Las Vegas where was all over and we

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could all relax Oh sellers you're having

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a lot of fun there yes and there was

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George Robert his guitar we're all

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singing along and people saying where's

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Stefan oh yeah I'm sure they were there

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was an upper upper most of their minds

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without the whole conference there's

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something missing here well that was

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actually it was uppermost on my mind I

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wasn't there it was very disappointing

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very depressing but he had a great time

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amazing meeting in Las Vegas is always a

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wonderful time and Stefan can you

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believe it this alleged this is a

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skeptical show no I don't believe it you

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asked me believe it yeah well I leave it

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because there's evidence this is show

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number 250 250 yeah that's insane

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Richard what have you need to get a life

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really I do I must admit it I to 250 my

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goodness for the fourth of August 24 13

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2013 so when do we actually start was a

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wasn't about five six years ago or

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something it was 2008 in late August I

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think something like that dives are

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there yes how about that man you have to

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get a gold medal for consistency you've

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kept it up the whole time if for nothing

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else at least consistency yeah actually

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why you talk about the number 252 and

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how long we've been doing this for so I

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just actually googled that and look for

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factors of 250 in it and 250 is a weird

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number because it doesn't have that many

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125 250 and that's kind of weird because

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in it same if you break down the 250

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episodes we've done I mean in that same

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time I've had three relationships four

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bankruptcies and six liver detoxes so I

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don't know I think it might be more

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factors to see 50 than meets the eye

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okay there is something it this subject

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is numerology after a holiday they

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you must have a massive bumper show

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lined up for such a big number well you

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know what Stefan it's all repeats it's

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it's all new material I recycle yeah

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like the Simpsons always do now again so

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what is it new stuff we have a interview

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with Brendan O'Brien from 62nd science

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this is a project for students and

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others to put up a video clip

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demonstrating science all within 60

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seconds okay that's pretty cool and it's

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going well and I'm sure it's going very

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well with all the short attention spans

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everyone's got these days that's right

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no it's very encouraging because it's

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really aimed at students but anybody's

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welcome to join in they've had over a

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million views on their YouTube channel

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so they're going pretty well okay great

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coming up as well we certainly do we've

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got a wig in science without good friend

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dr. Paul wheels from the Royal

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Institution of Australia we have penny

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chair with a penny for your thoughts hey

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hi chi Chi put up a very interesting a

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day ever she I think I think it's her

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you seen nobody groovy she's pretty

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groovy penny I'm pretty way out things

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yeah makeup artists tough and oppressive

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pretty impressive anyway I'm gonna chat

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to penny just to catch up which I did at

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the amazing reading Asian deal after

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that as you do and after that she

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strip called carbon dating where science

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and relationships meet Oh lots of nerds

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pretty pretty cool so I'll that'll be

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good and then someone else we got we've

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the oh no Ross and Carrie podcast now

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Hollywood after the amazing meeting and

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zany adventures he and Carrie papi have

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podcast this is the podcast where they

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if we stay up to 250 episodes I think we

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must be doing something right anyway my

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hopes are yes right and to round off the

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show we have our part 2 of maynard

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series of interviews with Marlo Cassetti

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who was one of the guys who worked at

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NASA when NASA was really getting

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started today Mars going to tell us

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those years haha so now I i had the

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interesting time last night i was doing

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one of my regular gigs about it a bit of

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a combined 40th birthday party and these

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skeptics own groupies came up to me and

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they actually i know you get lots of

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them Richard you go everywhere you go

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around the world people do trail behind

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you and asking photographs but this is

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my first skeptics groupies it was yeah

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love the show and they have a been been

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comfortable cuz i was at a rock and roll

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groupies I didn't know what the next but

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organizations that the skeptics are so

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yeah give it get in contact with us

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because I've actually got a few clients

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on either chase up some money hit that

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suit but yeah there really were quite

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keen to it to be involved and think so

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it was great to meet them so hi guys

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yeah skeptic zone groupies at a rock and

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I didn't know what to do I was confused

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whoever you are you skeptics own group

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that's really great did they recognize

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your voice or what was not all it was to

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these guys on Facebook and and he was a

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so yeah it's just one of those little

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networking things but that was cool how

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about that and some of our listeners

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might not know Stefan that you're a

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the level of sleep looking years ago

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yeah yeah now now Richard you were

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talking about the Australian skeptics

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convention coming up well Stefan I just

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skeptical conventions because there's

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Australian skeptics national convention

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cannabis and prostitution so so it's a

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politicians got it yes listeners check

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your check your advice travel advisories

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very crazy place it's it's quite funny

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things that everyone else likes to do

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about that well Stefan you know what yep

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the end of this show so you know we do

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very honored to be asked to be a judge

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in this project this is the 62nd science

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on the line Brendan O'Brien hello

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greetings toward your listeners out

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countries at the moment we're getting

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lots of entries we had 300 plus entries

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last year so it's going very well

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Richard num it's free and that's

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we take it very seriously so on our

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website www 60-second signs dotnet we've

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got the details of our lames why we're

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doing it we just want to help people

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better understand the world around us

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the competition is to create a short

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video that explains an invention or an

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experiment or a science concept or an

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idea that there

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got that involves science and the rules

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are pretty simple it's got to be less

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than 60 seconds and in terms of privacy

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we want people to if they've got anyone

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who's visually identifiable in there

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fill in and for people under 18 we've

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got a consent form for their parents or

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guardians to sign and we also take

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copyright seriously we really vet every

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video that's uploaded and make sure

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there's no infringement of images

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copyright or music copyright and what we

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suggest is if people want to put music

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in their video to enhance it a bit go to

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Creative Commons I'm just Google Latin

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there's some fabulous free music for

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people to put on their videos Richard

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yes certainly is there certainly is now

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I've been enjoying over the past couple

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of weeks every now and then miele takes

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a little bit time out and well being a

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judge and I suppose I should I viewing

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some of these videos and I'm so pleased

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that so many younger students are taking

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part and some of those videos are so

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enjoyable and if this means anything at

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all I've certainly learned things

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watching these videos i mean there's a

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wonderful video but about volcanoes

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which I enjoyed very much about how your

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sense of smell works it's fascinating

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the strength of bridges there's another

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video conveying of what are the laws of

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motion in a car all day in 60 seconds

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it's very exciting and so far what I've

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seen I've been very impressed I guess

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must give you a good feeling as well yes

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is terrific and it's really encouraging

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to see people of all ages and especially

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the youngsters getting in there and

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doing it and that's why we've got lots

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of divisions to cater fur and all sorts

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of entries we've got Best Cinematography

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best animation we've got international

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open International Junior International

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secondary school then we've got

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international low fat we want to

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encourage people to communicate in their

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own language so we've got what's called

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a low division languages other than

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english so that people can upload their

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video in their native language and then

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put in subtitles in english for our

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English audience an explanation of

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what's happening there and then we've

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got all the Australian divisions the

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Australian Open attracts of four hundred

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dollar cash prize and we've got

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runners-up prizes and then for the kids

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we've got primary and secondary in each

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state and territory we've got four

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hundred dollar prizes and a

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hundred-dollar runner-up prizes for each

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state and territory and they're fabulous

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prizes cause it's cash the kids do

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whatever they like with it and you

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mentioned judges you're in very good

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company there with the judges so we've

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got a fabulous range of judges from once

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again all over and from Australia we've

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got john mackenzie who's a very well

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credentialed judge from melbourne

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university latrobe universities a

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honorary doctor of laws he's a science

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research fellow then we've got a serbian

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judge a filmmaker from australia we've

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got Charlotte Stoddard a she's a

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filmmaker from nature magazine in the UK

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we've got that Richard Saunders chappie

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from Australia and his collaborator dr.

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Rashid unlocked yes in fact I was

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chatting to dr. AG about this the other

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day and she's very excited she says what

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she and I should do one day is run to

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our favorite Club have a nice bottle of

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red or something and lunch and view all

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the videos and I couldn't think of a

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better way to spend it afternoon now

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this I think this I think is going to be

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a very special interest to all the

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teachers we have listening to the

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skeptic zone because what I've been

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viewing so far is certainly a lot of in

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the class you know kids in the classroom

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or what appears to me in the classroom

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demonstrating science and even if they

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don't particularly want to be involved

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in in putting together a video I think

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they can all get something out of it by

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viewing them

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look the learning that is involved both

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in viewing and creating is amazing I'm a

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next science teacher myself although I

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don't think there's ever such a thing as

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a tech science teacher look for the kids

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to condense an idea down to 60 seconds

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or for anyone to do that it takes a lot

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of work it's not easy you really have to

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have clarity of thought and really

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understand the science to be able to

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explain it in 60 seconds and the kids in

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a lot of schools the kids have got

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hidden in their pocket their little

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mobile phone and they just they love

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their devices and we encourage teachers

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to let the kids to take their mobiles

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out and film on their mobile devices and

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construct their film that way and that

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you know breaks down some of those

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berries between teachers and students

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when they use their favorite devices for

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learning I think that's fantastic and of

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course these days one can film and edit

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and upload all from your smartphone it's

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quite incredible it's fantastic and the

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kids understand these technologies very

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well now and I did want to mention a

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couple of other judges dr. Kiki you'd

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know from San Francisco Kirsten Sanford

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move this rate Desiree shell from Canada

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Vanessa she's a fantastic skeptic and

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very prominent in lots of movements over

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there on the greater American continent

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they've got alum shahe we got dr. Karen

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Banda who's just coming here to

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Australia in the next few weeks she's

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working with Elise Andrew with their I

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fls project she's been making some

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fantastic videos have been getting lots

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of mileage worldwide but our videos here

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we've just passed a milestone Richard

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we're very pleased with the fact that

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the kids and the adults videos have now

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been downloaded over a million times so

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we feel with come of age finally that's

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that's quite impressive but that's a

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wonderful achievement and of course

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there are more to come now if people are

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are interested maybe students especially

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teachers at the moment in this whole

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project how long do they have before the

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deadline approaches we've got a deadline

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of the 14th of November to register and

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the twentieth of November to upload your

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video you can upload it directly to

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youtube and then provide the link or you

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can upload it directly onto the website

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that's been designed by our friends at

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turbo web and the ten thousand dollars

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is being provided by our sponsor the

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department of education and early

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childhood development in victoria that

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very generously have provided the money

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for this competition over the years what

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a wonderful endeavor this is because

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it's not only helping to spread science

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in this country it truly is an

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international effort with the science

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these kids are presenting going all

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around the world you'll be very pleased

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I'm sure when you get another million

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downloads which let's let's try it and

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aim for that another million I think

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it's worthwhile that people view these

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give me that website once again it's 60

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second science net if you just Google

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60-second science or Google's science

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video competition it comes up as number

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one now there you go what could be

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easier than that well Brendan I look

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forward to viewing some more of these

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videos over the coming weeks in due

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course applying my thoughts to you but

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there is the message folks if you're

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interested in science especially if

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you're a younger or you're a teacher I

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think you should be involved Brendan

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O'Brien thank you very much take it rich

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be reasonable is a podcast of the

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hayley stevens and michael marshall each

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monthly interview explores beliefs from

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outside of the mainstream engaging with

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proponents of those beliefs for examine

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the evidence and reasoning behind each

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idea in July's episode we speak with

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andrew burton from the anti-abortion

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activist group 40 days for life listen

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to Andy's story and back issues to the

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shore by visiting merseyside skeptic

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stalked at UK forward slash podcasts or

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is kenny chen

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well being at the amazing meeting gives

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me the chance to actually be sitting

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next to one of the u.s. correspondents

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Benny Chan hi penny I Richard good to

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see you good to see you too i mean i saw

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you last week but it was over the video

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link yeah in your kitchen yes it's a

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good place for it as any it is indeed oh

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this place in my house back it's a clean

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that's why otherwise I get to look at

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all like crap all over my house did you

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hear that folks now the world knows

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about your house there we go no great

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just great to see you here I just saw

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your dad he always gone he was running

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around just a moment ago yeah and it's a

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chance for you and all of us of course

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to enjoy everything that tim has to

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offer like the great talks and workshops

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yeah he's good we just saw um them Randy

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and the filmmakers talking about an

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honest liar all the documentary yeah

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yeah yeah I was really good it was

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really really really sweet and Randy

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announced how he got married Oh recently

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how cute and what else have you ever

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seen that here did you only arrived tis

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that just yesterday yesterday yeah early

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afternoon right and are you going to be

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more concentrating on socializing what

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do you like to do better tamil or being

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in the audience that is a hard question

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I was asking myself the same thing

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because I love to see all the people

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here that I normally only see like on

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facebook or on twitter so I'm trying to

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decide at each moment should I be out

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like talking to people you're trying to

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find friends yeah or going to the tux so

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I kind of just divided up I look ahead

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and see what's the next talk and if I'm

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really into it I think I think some of

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the same attitude some of the talks I

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know the content I've seen before some I

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haven't and I'd love to see them and

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some of the workshops too but one thing

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we didn't mention last week was of

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course um

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not only I you our reporter in Los

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Angeles that you're the chief engineer

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on the solar you know my idea for that

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is for episode two yes dear live

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recording at Tim or something like an

543
00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:49,950
old-fashioned radio play like you know

544
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:52,470
who sound effects and yeah we could do

545
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:54,510
like it sound effects yeah I like the

546
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,340
partner script where I ask you to do

547
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:58,200
something I ring you up on the intercom

548
00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:01,380
you say not you again I forgot about

549
00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:03,420
that see I hadn't listened to it in its

550
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,309
entirety yeah and you did the line

551
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,679
sometimes ago yeah yeah and I just did

552
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,360
them all when I was recording them just

553
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:12,000
one after the other I didn't know what

554
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:14,010
when they'd be inserted yeah just kind

555
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:15,990
of just saying the word I shouldn't be

556
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:18,210
giving this stuff away everybody'll oh

557
00:24:22,820 --> 00:24:19,650
well that's that's what happens in

558
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:22,830
production that's right that was good

559
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,970
fun I like to be a part of that yeah you

560
00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:28,559
can you can say now that not only do you

561
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:30,120
have your own theme music that you were

562
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,130
in a radio plays yeah that's what I tell

563
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,220
people that's what you tell me well I

564
00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:37,860
look forward to the rest of town and I

565
00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:39,300
know you're going to be interviewing

566
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:40,920
some people along the way flourishing

567
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,380
some people yeah hey nee chan and your

568
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:46,140
wonderful yellow bright top and smiling

569
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:48,030
face good to see you good to see you too

570
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:55,520
so this is penny chan reporting live

571
00:25:01,160 --> 00:24:58,290
from tam at the south point hotel casino

572
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:01,170
and spa and right now I'm right outside

573
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:03,330
the kids room so if you hear any

574
00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:07,140
laughter of children that's why so about

575
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:08,790
two nights ago is hanging out at the

576
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:10,410
delmar lounge with all the other cool

577
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:13,500
people and this fellow comes up to me

578
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:16,290
and he hands me this funny little flip

579
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:20,070
book and says I'm launching my i'm

580
00:25:24,530 --> 00:25:22,020
launching my new comic strip tonight and

581
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,540
I'd like you to i think what i did you

582
00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:26,940
say i think what i said was actually if

583
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:30,300
you tweet this i will give you a drink

584
00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:34,140
or a magnet and I think night yes yes

585
00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:36,300
exactly that and he handed me this flip

586
00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:38,160
book and a lovely little magnet that

587
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:40,470
said carbon dating and I'm like what in

588
00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:42,600
the world is this got into conversation

589
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:47,430
with Kyle Sanders this is a comic strip

590
00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:50,580
about science and relationships and I

591
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:53,190
think that's a pretty cute concept I'm a

592
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,820
big fan of XKCD and like phd comics and

593
00:26:03,290 --> 00:26:00,000
other you will love this I like to say

594
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,300
it's a blend of XKCD and how i met your

595
00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:05,940
mother or questionable content if any

596
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:07,560
readers are familiar with that webcomic

597
00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:10,740
but trying to teach science and

598
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:13,230
skepticism through the lens of a

599
00:26:18,050 --> 00:26:16,140
romantic relationship and interaction

600
00:26:21,620 --> 00:26:18,060
between the characters rather than just

601
00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:21,630
bluntly explaining it to it to the

602
00:26:25,790 --> 00:26:23,670
audience alright and so what's your

603
00:26:29,030 --> 00:26:25,800
background and we'll talk about yourself

604
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:29,040
a little bit okay well not a cartoonist

605
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:31,650
by trade really just told me these are

606
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,130
all amazing illustrations thanks I got

607
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:37,260
my start in cartooning just as a hobby

608
00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:38,940
at the Air Force Academy where I went to

609
00:26:44,030 --> 00:26:41,670
school I graduates a degree in space

610
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,040
systems engineering and then went on to

611
00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:46,500
pilot training and have been a pilot

612
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:50,430
near force for four years now and this

613
00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:52,170
has always been on the back burner but

614
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:53,790
now i'm at the point in my career where

615
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:56,970
I can have the time to pursue this I've

616
00:27:02,750 --> 00:26:59,940
been taking a week off every month to to

617
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:02,760
get the comic strips done but I've moved

618
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:05,350
to Little Rock via texts

619
00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:07,870
bastions of science you know either

620
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:10,360
places she grew up in Texas I grew up

621
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:12,910
all over the country ok but I was

622
00:27:16,919 --> 00:27:14,890
stationed in Oklahoma Texas and Arkansas

623
00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:16,929
which for those of you in Australia

624
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:20,260
right in the middle and not exactly the

625
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:23,470
most scientifically literate states so

626
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:27,760
to meet other science fans and and other

627
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:30,070
geeks i founded Little Rock skeptics in

628
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:32,140
the pub which I've been hosting with my

629
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:35,910
co-host been bell for three years now

630
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:40,030
that's very cool um so this is aris you

631
00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:41,169
mentioned there's just there's an arc

632
00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:43,870
actually and within it or there's yeah

633
00:27:48,659 --> 00:27:46,150
so the it has an ongoing plot arc it is

634
00:27:51,899 --> 00:27:48,669
a comic strip it comes out twice a week

635
00:27:54,510 --> 00:27:51,909
on Tuesdays and Fridays so when you

636
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:54,520
better give that yes carbon comic com

637
00:27:59,880 --> 00:27:58,480
okay if they come out each one's a

638
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,890
four-panel strip that comes out on its

639
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:02,080
own but there's a you know character

640
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:03,490
development in a plot arc that

641
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:07,230
originally was about a single guy who

642
00:28:12,029 --> 00:28:10,390
met a lot of irrational women and each

643
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:12,039
rational woman explained a different

644
00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:15,370
concept in pseudo science but then I met

645
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:17,950
a girl a long-term friend of mine who

646
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:20,350
wound up moving in and taking care of my

647
00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:22,409
dog while I deployed for four months and

648
00:28:28,169 --> 00:28:24,669
during that four months I rewrote the

649
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:28,179
entire thing to incorporate incorporate

650
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:29,919
that budding relationship and that

651
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,460
became carbon dating so it's oh is it a

652
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:35,440
lot based on real life that I could take

653
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:40,330
up now my wife she she wouldn't want you

654
00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:42,400
to know how much of it is about her but

655
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:44,020
we actually got married a few weeks ago

656
00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:46,090
and we're here on our honeymoon so I

657
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,280
didn't know that it's can I didn't want

658
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:50,799
to give it away but that the comic has

659
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,280
of a happy direction they do get

660
00:28:58,799 --> 00:28:56,080
together it's not a will they won't they

661
00:29:00,990 --> 00:28:58,809
but yeah she's she's great and

662
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,000
supportive and a lot of what she says

663
00:29:06,510 --> 00:29:03,520
goes straight into her character in the

664
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:06,520
book good um you said you mentioned some

665
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:09,190
online dating stuff as well which i

666
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:10,840
think is an interesting concept

667
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:13,210
because every person you ask will have a

668
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:15,430
different take on what they you know

669
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:17,380
well an online dating is just so common

670
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:19,480
now for friends of mine you know Air

671
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:21,670
Force guys that just don't have time to

672
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:23,470
get out there and a lot of friends I

673
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:25,390
know have done that which i think is

674
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,120
another interesting way because you so

675
00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:30,460
easily can you read their interests and

676
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,960
as soon as crystal healing comes up

677
00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:34,620
you're like well not next you know

678
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:37,180
whatever I see somebody like because I

679
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,310
did online dating and somebody would

680
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,440
give their myers-briggs personality test

681
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:43,120
thing right on the first line I'm like

682
00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:45,880
nope next one idiot can do okay not an

683
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:48,070
idiot okay I mean I'm just like no kid

684
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:50,170
kid and I think the point is that even

685
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:53,890
those who who you can screen up front

686
00:29:57,150 --> 00:29:55,690
for those kinds of things everybody's

687
00:30:00,480 --> 00:29:57,160
irrational about something so each

688
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:00,490
character has their own expertise if

689
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:03,130
there's an athlete a barista and all

690
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:06,250
these other aspects that they each bring

691
00:30:10,290 --> 00:30:08,710
in their own pseudoscience that that the

692
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:10,300
main character has to then address

693
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:13,900
eventually but it just is wide open for

694
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,910
the long haul the next couple years this

695
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:17,830
will be my pet project and I'm launching

696
00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:20,200
it right now at tam so that's exciting

697
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:25,180
what a great place to plug it and so you

698
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:27,250
save got about the book you said has 50

699
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:30,190
yeah I made a little preview just comic

700
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:32,290
strip book to show folks with the first

701
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:34,930
50 comics I've got you know almost the

702
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:37,000
first book completed but they go up two

703
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:38,380
at a time so i think there's about a

704
00:30:44,370 --> 00:30:41,080
dozen online right now and you know to

705
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:44,380
every week on going so the whole idea is

706
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:46,690
that i could then put these on an ibook

707
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:50,500
or a download that those who are really

708
00:30:53,790 --> 00:30:52,030
into it and want to read ahead and don't

709
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:53,800
want to wait a couple months could just

710
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:55,330
download it for a few dollars and then

711
00:31:00,390 --> 00:30:58,450
that'll go to a charity some kind of a

712
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:00,400
science education charity yeah to be

713
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:02,440
determined so do you got any swag up

714
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,700
online t-shirt

715
00:31:09,149 --> 00:31:05,679
the other side then met no not yet I

716
00:31:10,889 --> 00:31:09,159
haven't really with webcomics you have

717
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:10,899
to just build a fan base before you can

718
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:13,510
ever monetize and I'm I have a career so

719
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:14,950
I'm not really interested in that so

720
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:18,880
much is just the awareness yeah at least

721
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:21,130
until I time and air forces up and then

722
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:23,080
who knows well thank you for speaking

723
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:26,230
with me Kyle it was I'm so glad that you

724
00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:28,090
can't approached me and all the other

725
00:31:33,299 --> 00:31:31,149
people at the delmar it's great it's

726
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:33,309
just so exciting to meet all these other

727
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:36,220
skeptics here's just my crowd and no

728
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:38,350
wait how did you find out about Tim oh I

729
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,080
I mean I originally went to skeptic on

730
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:43,120
to ok and I was involved in a lot of

731
00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:45,490
community building but skeptic on to

732
00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:48,909
gotten that was my calling and that's

733
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,950
where I drew the first characters for

734
00:31:56,490 --> 00:31:53,679
this and have been waiting ever since to

735
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:56,500
kind of show it to the world but Tam I

736
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,090
mean who doesn't know about tams it's a

737
00:32:02,190 --> 00:32:00,100
skeptic it's it's fantastic my first

738
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:02,200
time coming but it's exciting and I'm

739
00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:04,630
just enthusiastic that I have magnets to

740
00:32:09,389 --> 00:32:06,760
give away its I've have you been giving

741
00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:09,399
out a lot though I mean I I didn't make

742
00:32:12,779 --> 00:32:10,539
that many it's just a conversation

743
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,789
starter really but it's been a lot of

744
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,799
fun and folks seem to like it which is

745
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:17,519
great it's you know a little bit of a

746
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:19,990
validation for me to see people laughing

747
00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:22,659
in my comic that I've been planning for

748
00:32:26,610 --> 00:32:24,760
so long I really hope it takes up what's

749
00:32:29,639 --> 00:32:26,620
that website one more time karbonn

750
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:29,649
comecomecome easy to remember mm-hmm

751
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,230
Carbon Copy com Kyle thank you for

752
00:32:35,549 --> 00:32:33,760
speaking well thanks so much for having

753
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:35,559
been penny with a penny for your

754
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:46,320
you

755
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:50,080
hi this is scary papi i am ross Fletcher

756
00:32:56,019 --> 00:32:52,580
okay Ross hey we're from a podcast

757
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:56,029
called oh no Ross and Carrie we find out

758
00:32:59,140 --> 00:32:57,770
what happens when you show up and ask

759
00:33:01,390 --> 00:32:59,150
questions we've hung out with the

760
00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:01,400
Cabalists the Mormons we've gone and

761
00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:03,980
gotten ear candle gone to the Sikhs we

762
00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:06,380
show up so you don't have to so find out

763
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,029
where we're going next we'll even have

764
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,159
special episodes where we have famous

765
00:33:14,529 --> 00:33:12,559
guests like Brian Dalton from mr. deity

766
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:14,539
you heard that awesome theme music he

767
00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:16,580
wrote that you should come visit us at

768
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:20,750
Oh No podcast.com or facebook.com slash

769
00:33:27,789 --> 00:33:23,929
on rack what the hell's on a cross Oh in

770
00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:27,799
RAC Oh Oh No Ross and Carrie that's our

771
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,700
show

772
00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:30,590
come join us

773
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:32,840
that music Ross that music it's

774
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:34,730
fantastic written by Brian Keith Dalton

775
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:36,860
Mr D dear Esther DD that's right it's

776
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Ross blotchy from oh no Ross and Carrie

777
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,330
oh hello hello we here in Los Angeles

778
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:43,760
having a great dinner with the local

779
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,340
skeptics here the IIT yeah a good

780
00:33:49,779 --> 00:33:48,320
turnout today good turnout I'm really

781
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:49,789
having a good time and I'm so pleased to

782
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:51,289
see you I saw you at the amazing meeting

783
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,760
but we hardly had time to say hello yeah

784
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:54,559
very briefly you gave an excellent talk

785
00:33:59,470 --> 00:33:56,809
there oh that's great we enjoyed it

786
00:34:01,899 --> 00:33:59,480
here's your money thank you that's right

787
00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:01,909
and the money is nicely folded into some

788
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:06,440
origami it is she now I remember was it

789
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:10,899
to tams ago or three I don't remember

790
00:34:16,419 --> 00:34:13,490
how many were together taking you and

791
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,429
carry up to my room yeah well your room

792
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:18,320
yes that's right and you said we've got

793
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:20,300
a new podcast and I said great i'd like

794
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,550
to envy you that it would've been two

795
00:34:27,879 --> 00:34:25,040
years ago that's right yeah 2011 cuz we

796
00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:27,889
just created was brand new and I and

797
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:30,080
yeah you your day interviewed us at that

798
00:34:32,859 --> 00:34:31,790
time and we just had a few episodes

799
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:32,869
under our belt we'd already gotten

800
00:34:36,579 --> 00:34:35,270
started with the Mormons yeah and I in

801
00:34:38,349 --> 00:34:36,589
the two years since then we've been

802
00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:38,359
doing a new investigation every month on

803
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:40,700
average we've always got a bunch going

804
00:34:43,899 --> 00:34:41,990
on at any given time because you never

805
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:43,909
know what's gonna be ready it's it's

806
00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:46,580
staggering because i love the philosophy

807
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:48,349
you did this crazy stuff so we don't

808
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:50,389
have to right that's yeah that's right

809
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:52,010
we put ourselves through some

810
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:54,530
uncomfortable situations and that report

811
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:56,389
back so you can avoid that in the two

812
00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:57,980
years and you've been doing it there

813
00:35:01,710 --> 00:34:59,750
must be some interesting things that

814
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:01,720
happened to you some highlights oh yeah

815
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:06,410
boy let us start run yeah you know we've

816
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:08,390
joined religions we've gone out of the

817
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:10,130
desert to get baptized into an alien

818
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:12,710
cult and we've put ourselves through

819
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:15,500
various like fad diet CEO juice cleanses

820
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:18,290
and the Master Cleanse and I've gotten

821
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:22,790
oh what a colon hydrotherapy also it's

822
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,410
very uncomfortable was one of the ones

823
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:26,460
that cry

824
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:29,010
um what's the word stag me a little bit

825
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:31,530
I guess was there was a photograph and

826
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:33,720
an accompanying episode where Carrie was

827
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:35,369
trying some sort of breast enlargement

828
00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:37,410
oh yeah that's right and when it came

829
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:40,080
out I looked at the birth of what yes

830
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,970
speaking of uncomfortable situations you

831
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:43,680
know for one episode we thought you know

832
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,950
let's try to grow our boobs and penises

833
00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:48,300
not only one of us has a penis and only

834
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:51,619
one of us has boobs to squeak out really

835
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:55,200
yeah so so she got to put the large pump

836
00:36:00,200 --> 00:35:57,690
that's what you saw these funny things

837
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,210
on it is yeah these suction cups we're

838
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:03,119
trying to draw her breasts into them you

839
00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:04,859
she tried it briefly on me it's

840
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:07,349
uncomfortable so I I felt her pain I was

841
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:10,830
also briefly but not only to do that but

842
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:13,670
to be comfortable enough to pose for the

843
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:17,609
picture yeah yeah I I wore something on

844
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,380
my dangly bits but i didn't i didn't

845
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,300
post any photos of it you're gonna spare

846
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:23,940
everybody yeah they were that i need to

847
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:25,890
see that what are the medical things are

848
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,630
you gone through all those you can call

849
00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:29,460
that a mythical figure yeah i guess it

850
00:36:32,839 --> 00:36:30,869
would be there were a lot of pills to go

851
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:32,849
with that as well alright for male

852
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:35,910
enhancement yeah just to spoil that none

853
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:38,220
of them worked for either of us so yes

854
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,260
so much for that whole idea medical

855
00:36:44,839 --> 00:36:42,720
stuff we'll certainly the colon

856
00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:44,849
hydrotherapy you know where they put a

857
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,440
bunch of water up your back-end yes

858
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:50,940
trying to keep gracious way to say these

859
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:53,460
things let's see medical stuff i

860
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:55,710
remember when i did my first juice

861
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:58,290
cleanse Harriet Hall wrote a comment and

862
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,119
said you know really you shouldn't be

863
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,160
doing these sorts of things is it this

864
00:37:07,070 --> 00:37:05,040
is dangerous but we kept it to three

865
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:07,080
days of drinking nothing but juice and

866
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,910
you know after three days you better

867
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:10,950
start seeking medical consent from a dog

868
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:15,119
how did you feel um very hungry a little

869
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,890
lightheaded maybe i would say i didn't

870
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:21,839
feel like i was at my strongest i

871
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:23,099
wouldn't want to go out and run for

872
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:25,320
miles or go to the gym and i did try

873
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:27,060
that the last day i tried going to gym

874
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:28,650
just see if i can induce a headache or

875
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,140
something yeah because yeah it's just

876
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,119
feeling like my body was surviving

877
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:35,440
rather than you know thriving

878
00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:39,220
wow wow I could I can't well you do it

879
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:41,800
so I don't have right yeah so we try to

880
00:37:46,319 --> 00:37:44,380
report back and and share all the funny

881
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,329
parts about our interactions with people

882
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:48,880
and for example for that one you know

883
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:50,290
that's it's not an extraordinary claim

884
00:37:54,329 --> 00:37:52,089
that if you consume less calories that

885
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,339
you will lose weight but they also will

886
00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:55,839
say that you're gonna lose toxins

887
00:38:00,000 --> 00:37:57,700
alright you give his toxins out

888
00:38:02,339 --> 00:38:00,010
everybody so what's that so yeah we

889
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:02,349
talked to a detox counselor who happened

890
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:04,750
to be a psychotherapist who was just you

891
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:07,270
know for the summer she was moonlighting

892
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:10,660
as a detox counselor and you know she

893
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:12,310
started saying all these kind of random

894
00:38:16,349 --> 00:38:14,710
things about oh man made substances we

895
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:16,359
said well does that mean lead or mercury

896
00:38:20,309 --> 00:38:18,849
or heavy metals oh no no nothing like

897
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:20,319
that just you know bad things that

898
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:21,910
accumulate in the body oh well what are

899
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,760
those you can't get a solid answer yeah

900
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,560
it turns out yet it doesn't mean

901
00:38:31,319 --> 00:38:27,839
anything i didn't know themselves

902
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:31,329
exactly do you get helpful suggestions

903
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:34,270
from listeners oh yes yeah we've always

904
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:37,030
got a stream of suggestions coming out

905
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:37,900
of things that we could investigate

906
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:39,970
maybe ones that people are familiar with

907
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:42,310
or their family members are and so many

908
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:44,020
of their recommendations have turned

909
00:38:47,819 --> 00:38:46,030
into our episodes we have a long list

910
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:47,829
the list that could last us another you

911
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:50,440
know five years and and so sometimes

912
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:51,970
it's already on there sometimes we'll

913
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:54,609
add a new thing what's coming up in the

914
00:38:59,099 --> 00:38:56,740
near future okay well let's see right

915
00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:59,109
now we've joined a group I don't want to

916
00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:01,210
give too much away but it's a i like to

917
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:03,790
say they're kind of like Satanist how

918
00:39:08,849 --> 00:39:05,740
can you be kind of like to say well yeah

919
00:39:10,859 --> 00:39:08,859
it's all I was raised in an evangelical

920
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,869
Christian household and it's everything

921
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:12,760
my pastors ever warned me about i think

922
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,190
the christians want to think is going on

923
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:17,200
in dark cellars somewhere that people

924
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:20,140
are you know naked and carrying you know

925
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:22,540
curved blades and and doing you know

926
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:24,250
wearing black robes and you know creepy

927
00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:26,050
stuff like that it was all the stuff

928
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:27,790
that wow this is you know in the chick

929
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:29,020
tracts i don't know if you've ever seen

930
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:31,180
those Oh Jack chick is famous I guess in

931
00:39:35,339 --> 00:39:33,609
America yeah yeah cartoonist yeah of

932
00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:35,349
course yeah this is over the top Chris

933
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:37,720
you know that's his father it was big

934
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:39,940
daddy is his most famous one without

935
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:41,290
even though yeah there's something new

936
00:39:46,180 --> 00:39:41,750
you

937
00:39:49,330 --> 00:39:46,190
his fever dreams that he would assume

938
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:49,340
that do you know cloak did robed dark

939
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:50,930
Satanists are doing no they don't call

940
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,950
themselves sickness but they think

941
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:54,320
Lucifer is a being of light anyways

942
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:55,610
that's an upcoming one that'll be

943
00:40:02,290 --> 00:39:58,250
that'll be fun we've also been going to

944
00:40:03,850 --> 00:40:02,300
some 911 truth or meetings Wow and

945
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:03,860
that's fun to sit there oh my goodness

946
00:40:07,150 --> 00:40:05,870
do they bicker and bicker it's a bunch a

947
00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:07,160
bunch of adults just yelling at each

948
00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:09,080
other and it over each other really for

949
00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:11,480
four and a half hours so again we do

950
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:14,660
this you don't have to thank you you're

951
00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:16,670
welcome behalf of the world thanks your

952
00:40:19,930 --> 00:40:18,470
Walker and I'm delighted to say that you

953
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:19,940
have a good list of the ship in

954
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:23,030
Australia yeah I was just gone yeah that

955
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:25,610
I think we have over 600 at least you

956
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:27,500
know and that range of listeners from

957
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:29,390
Australia so a lot of listeners in

958
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:32,540
common and thank you for spreading the

959
00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:34,250
word about us absolutely now I'm

960
00:40:38,290 --> 00:40:36,680
delighted to Chris skeptics and Lissa's

961
00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:38,300
know every now and then we play the

962
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:41,600
music and on comes the oh no unlike you

963
00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:43,490
know and how is Carrie we haven't seen

964
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:45,590
it here oh I didn't see her tam and

965
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:47,600
she's not here tonight but I did catch

966
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,420
up with her in Manchester earlier near

967
00:40:53,890 --> 00:40:52,160
she was at the QED conference oh yeah

968
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:53,900
that's right we said hello then it was

969
00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:55,640
great to see it she's doing well I she

970
00:40:58,780 --> 00:40:56,990
is doing well you know and not just

971
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,790
she's not on the meetup group I told her

972
00:41:02,110 --> 00:41:00,560
tonight about this thing I said oh

973
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:02,120
should I love Richard I would have loved

974
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:03,290
to have been there but she already had

975
00:41:07,450 --> 00:41:05,570
plans work with some friends but she

976
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:07,460
sends her greetings hey Dad yeah we're

977
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:09,710
big fans of yours as well so I you do

978
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:11,240
lots of good work there in Australia

979
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:13,370
Thanks well there are folks if you got

980
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:15,770
something crazy and weird that you

981
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:17,750
really don't want to do the folks to

982
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:20,440
caller Ross and Carrie at owner Russian

983
00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:22,740
that's in the website is Oh No

984
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:25,540
podcast.com Russ blood show thank you

985
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,869
very much thank you Richard oh no Ross

986
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:30,910
and Carrie that's our show that's a

987
00:41:40,349 --> 00:41:37,599
smart come join us hi this is brian

988
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:40,359
dunning from the sceptile cast ATS kept

989
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:44,530
I calm for 15 years now dr. Bob's trivia

990
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:46,750
quiz has been a part of Australian

991
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:49,510
skeptics each month the mysterious dr.

992
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,300
Bob comes up with questions that defy

993
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:55,119
all logic and reason only the best of

994
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:57,550
the best dare attempt to answer these

995
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:00,430
brain twisters and no google won't help

996
00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:04,210
you visit dr. bob's quiz wordpress.com

997
00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:09,400
that's dr be OBS quiz wordpress.com to

998
00:42:14,849 --> 00:42:11,619
take part and to see the complete

999
00:42:26,609 --> 00:42:14,859
archive of dr. bob's trivia quiz I'm

1000
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,619
Brian Dunning from sceptile com welcome

1001
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:28,720
to a week in science from our iOS

1002
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bringing you the science news in need to

1003
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:34,119
know this week in science news we saw a

1004
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:37,000
new sustainable prawn feed are we losing

1005
00:42:45,329 --> 00:42:40,060
the battle with drugs in sport and does

1006
00:42:50,739 --> 00:42:48,370
the old wives tale that a full moon

1007
00:42:52,929 --> 00:42:50,749
affects your behavior may actually have

1008
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:52,939
an element of truth to it a Swiss study

1009
00:42:57,819 --> 00:42:55,369
measured brain patterns of volunteers as

1010
00:43:00,159 --> 00:42:57,829
they slept in a lab along with their eye

1011
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:00,169
movements and hormone secretions and

1012
00:43:04,899 --> 00:43:02,209
what do you know when there was a full

1013
00:43:06,909 --> 00:43:04,909
moon deep sleep Bain activity dropped by

1014
00:43:09,699 --> 00:43:06,919
thirty percent they took five minutes

1015
00:43:12,549 --> 00:43:09,709
longer to fall asleep and slept for 20

1016
00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:12,559
minutes less overall also levels of

1017
00:43:16,659 --> 00:43:14,269
melatonin that's the hormone that

1018
00:43:19,059 --> 00:43:16,669
regulates sleep cycles decreased when

1019
00:43:21,549 --> 00:43:19,069
there was a full moon all this happened

1020
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:21,559
despite the volunteers not knowing the

1021
00:43:28,659 --> 00:43:25,880
phase of the moon it looks like our

1022
00:43:31,479 --> 00:43:28,669
battle against drugs in sport is doomed

1023
00:43:33,429 --> 00:43:31,489
to fail research from the University of

1024
00:43:36,249 --> 00:43:33,439
Adelaide shows that the cost of testing

1025
00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:36,259
athletes is so high and the probability

1026
00:43:40,899 --> 00:43:38,900
of detection so low that sports

1027
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:40,909
authorities can't properly tackle the

1028
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:43,249
problem researchers looked at 93

1029
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:45,049
different sports and estimated that a

1030
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:47,630
drug-using athlete tested 12 times per

1031
00:43:52,779 --> 00:43:49,849
year only has a thirty three percent

1032
00:43:54,699 --> 00:43:52,789
chance of being picked up to detect one

1033
00:43:58,269 --> 00:43:54,709
hundred percent of doping we would have

1034
00:44:01,659 --> 00:43:58,279
to test each athlete 16 to 50 times per

1035
00:44:04,329 --> 00:44:01,669
year costing about 25 thousand dollars

1036
00:44:06,489 --> 00:44:04,339
which is obviously not sustainable

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you're listening to a week in science

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in 30 seconds rather than using fish to

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feed farmed prawns CSIRO has developed a

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more sustainable new food queenless

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honey bees still show allegiance to

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colony rather than going it alone

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graphene has been engineered to have a

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higher energy density creating a compact

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monogamy in primates may have evolved to

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males and now for a bit of fun this

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we are not well received good god we're

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00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,960
fully don't discuss cryptozoology on the

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00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,880
show very often because we don't know

1075
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:19,920
anything about how the truth the price

1076
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,810
gets lower and lower lower and then he

1077
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:23,640
hits a ceiling it's a ceiling for the

1078
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:28,200
room below skeptic to the cave and Moses

1079
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:29,910
high skeptics society find us on iTunes

1080
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:39,480
or you know don't here's main art spooky

1081
00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:50,320
mollica said he has a guy working at

1082
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:54,470
NASA in the the 50 60 70 s we want to

1083
00:46:57,970 --> 00:46:56,210
talk about some conspiracy theories

1084
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:57,980
which you've been involved in bunking

1085
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,540
and debunking I won't talk about some of

1086
00:47:03,490 --> 00:47:01,760
the colorful characters at NASA look

1087
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:03,500
what about Gordon Cooper who was

1088
00:47:07,540 --> 00:47:05,240
involved in the Gemini program and had

1089
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:07,550
various sightings of UFOs during his

1090
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:09,380
career and claims to even seen them at

1091
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:13,310
Edwards Air Force Base yes um Gordon

1092
00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:16,760
Cooper was one of the original mercury 7

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00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:19,670
astronauts he was the youngest of the

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00:47:26,350 --> 00:47:22,820
seven he was an Air Force captain when

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00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:26,360
he was inducted into the program uh he

1096
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:32,080
had previously had an encounter with

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00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:38,630
UFOs in his flying in western Germany I

1098
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,600
believe he was and it was reported

1099
00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:44,720
through the channels and so forth but

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00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,060
later on before he got into the

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00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:49,280
astronaut corps he was out at edwards

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00:47:59,260 --> 00:47:54,320
air force base as a test pilot but he

1103
00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:59,270
had a UFO sighting there it really went

1104
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:01,730
on to effective he really became an

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00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,010
advocate of the government or some world

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00:48:12,460 --> 00:48:10,160
body being very serious about UFOs and

1107
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,470
so forth because I believe he

1108
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:14,240
represented the cause to the UN to the

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00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:18,580
UN one stage he wrote a letter to the

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00:48:26,890 --> 00:48:23,260
the Director General of the UN I believe

1111
00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:26,900
urging them to set up impartial

1112
00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:32,540
committee because I think he felt it was

1113
00:48:39,490 --> 00:48:34,790
you know he really felt strongly that

1114
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:39,500
there was something like UFOs now I am

1115
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:42,980
very skeptical about UFOs in and I'll

1116
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:47,630
ask you to go back into the records and

1117
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:51,770
the first UFO sighting was by a guy

1118
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:54,670
named Kenneth Arnold flying in the

1119
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:56,750
northwest part of the United States

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00:49:01,890 --> 00:48:57,890
where he

1121
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:01,900
came back and reported that he saw seven

1122
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:05,900
strange planes flying or something

1123
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:10,880
greater than planes in 1947 and he

1124
00:49:17,110 --> 00:49:14,860
described them as being boomerang shape

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00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:17,120
that they were like airplanes that were

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00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:20,330
boomerang shape and in the press

1127
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:22,850
conference that he had after he came

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00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:26,510
public with with this he described them

1129
00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:32,200
as being flying altogether in formation

1130
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:35,900
kind of like speedboats bouncing over

1131
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:39,980
waves or going through a wake of a boat

1132
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:43,730
and that there did remind him of a

1133
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:47,810
saucer being a gift across the water

1134
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:50,200
like you skip a rock across the water

1135
00:49:59,110 --> 00:49:55,370
now at that time a junior reporter who

1136
00:50:02,560 --> 00:49:59,120
had to make a deadline grabbed his notes

1137
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:02,570
and got it in the paper and he coined

1138
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:06,440
the phrase flying saucer Kenneth Arnold

1139
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,110
never did you can find pictures of

1140
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:12,800
Arnold with a model of what he saw it

1141
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:14,810
looks almost like a swept wing fighter

1142
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:18,650
plane boomerang shaped kind of that wing

1143
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:21,980
shape and nothing to do with it looking

1144
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:27,140
like a saucer now in the era when Gordon

1145
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:32,630
Cooper's saw a picture of of a reported

1146
00:50:40,930 --> 00:50:37,400
picture of a flying saucer and made a he

1147
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:40,940
made a drawing of it it looked like your

1148
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:44,510
conventional to plate pie plates glued

1149
00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:48,290
together in the center I have a feeling

1150
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:52,120
that he may have been part of a hoax

1151
00:51:00,070 --> 00:50:56,410
here's a young Air Force captain who is

1152
00:51:01,810 --> 00:51:00,080
who saw flying saucers in Germany and so

1153
00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:01,820
I'm sure he's talking everybody's ear up

1154
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:05,500
about flying saucers and so a couple for

1155
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:08,540
photographers that were on a project

1156
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:11,730
with him came into his office

1157
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:14,040
excitedly and said oh we just saw a

1158
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,190
flying saucer and landed on on three

1159
00:51:22,099 --> 00:51:19,680
legs and and we got photographs of it

1160
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,109
and everything in movie filming and like

1161
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:24,540
a good officer he said okay get the film

1162
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:27,540
developed make no prints of them will

1163
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:29,070
send them off through the right channels

1164
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:31,170
we have a phone number to call for

1165
00:51:38,090 --> 00:51:36,000
anything you know whatever but they did

1166
00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:38,100
show him he couldn't see the movie film

1167
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:40,320
they had brought they have developed it

1168
00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:43,710
they had developed this still cameras

1169
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:47,820
and they showed him the negative of this

1170
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:51,420
object and according to Cooper it was a

1171
00:51:58,220 --> 00:51:55,369
saucer he never saw it in person I think

1172
00:52:00,859 --> 00:51:58,230
his leg was being pulled by the guys

1173
00:52:04,099 --> 00:52:00,869
that worked for I mean Maynard you're a

1174
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:04,109
jokester wouldn't you be if wouldn't you

1175
00:52:08,359 --> 00:52:06,570
be tempted to play a joke on somebody

1176
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,369
who's talking about flying saucers all

1177
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:10,380
the time I guess that's possible

1178
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:12,570
particularly back in that time but that

1179
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,540
profile also fits a situation where he

1180
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:17,520
saw something that they later on mon to

1181
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:20,460
cover up Marlo well that could be very

1182
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:22,560
true that's that's the other possibility

1183
00:52:31,099 --> 00:52:26,790
and that leads to I was involved in a

1184
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,109
space related UFO cover-up now is this

1185
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:33,720
during the Gemini missions Gemini 7 was

1186
00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:35,310
one of the famous ones was that the one

1187
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:39,840
you involved with no gemini one i was at

1188
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:41,970
that time i was working in mission

1189
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:46,380
planning was my my home division but i

1190
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:49,140
was on loan to the Gemini program office

1191
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:51,960
to be in charge of their launch guidance

1192
00:53:01,160 --> 00:52:57,630
and control and so I was at the Cape

1193
00:53:03,830 --> 00:53:01,170
Cape Canaveral when we flew that it was

1194
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:03,840
an unmanned mission it was a Titan to

1195
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,910
rocket pushing a Gemini spacecraft into

1196
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:11,040
orbit but we didn't release the

1197
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:13,020
spacecraft so the whole stack went up

1198
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:16,170
for the second stage in with the Gemini

1199
00:53:22,070 --> 00:53:19,920
attached to it went up and we got into

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00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:22,080
the right or better approximately the

1201
00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:24,410
right our orbit and so forth and I was

1202
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:25,560
my

1203
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:30,300
during the flight and all at once uh one

1204
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:34,740
of the radar systems the station's down

1205
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:38,760
range of Cape Canaveral said that they

1206
00:53:46,310 --> 00:53:44,250
saw a blip on the radar which looked

1207
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:46,320
like something was flying in formation

1208
00:53:54,860 --> 00:53:51,270
with the Gemini Titan deck now at that

1209
00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:54,870
time as opposed to the Soviet Union

1210
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,180
which was very closed and secretive we

1211
00:54:03,500 --> 00:53:59,520
were throwing the doors open to the

1212
00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:03,510
press so they were listening in and as

1213
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:06,860
soon as they heard something flying a

1214
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:10,880
strange object flying in formation with

1215
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:14,970
our spacecraft all hell broke loose they

1216
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:16,770
wanted to know about the flying saucer

1217
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:18,630
what was happening where did you know

1218
00:54:24,590 --> 00:54:21,450
that every detail and so the

1219
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:24,600
communication was shut down and what had

1220
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:29,130
happened to be I won't go into all the

1221
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:32,220
details but it was the engine bell off

1222
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:34,890
the second stage Titan had fallen off

1223
00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:37,800
and was flying in formation because

1224
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:40,350
you're flying at the same velocity and

1225
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:43,170
same altitude so it would naturally if

1226
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:45,420
it broke off it would be flying in the

1227
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:50,130
same path may be trailing may be leading

1228
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:55,890
the Gemini now in those days the radar

1229
00:55:03,800 --> 00:54:58,370
was pretty crude we're talking about

1230
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:03,810
1962 i think it was and uh 63 think was

1231
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:06,810
first but anyway the the radars were

1232
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:10,680
basically operating off the transponder

1233
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:14,160
we had on the Gemini but also we had we

1234
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:18,600
had surface reflecting radars and they

1235
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:20,220
could they could tell that there was

1236
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:23,580
another object flying around what it

1237
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:27,510
turned out not only how we determined it

1238
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:31,500
was the engine is there was a secret

1239
00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:34,470
radar on the east coast of the US that

1240
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:38,340
had incredible resolution but actually

1241
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,180
instead of

1242
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:41,400
seeing a blip that actually see a shape

1243
00:55:46,579 --> 00:55:43,710
and they described the dimensions of the

1244
00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:46,589
shape and it just it turned out it was

1245
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:49,160
the same dimensions as the engine Bell

1246
00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:53,069
big big blaring out bulb so we had a

1247
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:56,430
dilemma the dilemma was a two-fold

1248
00:56:01,880 --> 00:55:59,940
dilemma if we said we knew it was the

1249
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:01,890
engine bill and people say how can you

1250
00:56:08,589 --> 00:56:04,859
tell hundreds of miles away what the

1251
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:08,599
shape and dimension and the you know uh

1252
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:11,550
because no radars at that kind of time

1253
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:14,040
to do it but we did own that kind of a

1254
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:16,619
radar it enabled us to see what the

1255
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,559
Soviet satellites look like and that was

1256
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:21,839
a capability we didn't want the Soviets

1257
00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:25,050
to know the other thing was the Titan to

1258
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:27,960
that we were using is just pretty much

1259
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:30,089
the same as the Titan tues that we had

1260
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:33,510
in the missile silos all over the the

1261
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:36,030
u.s. all pointed at the Soviet Union and

1262
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:39,540
we did not want to tell them that these

1263
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:41,640
things were not reliable that the

1264
00:56:59,299 --> 00:56:57,589
have you heard the one about how the

1265
00:57:01,039 --> 00:56:59,309
Illuminati in conjunction with the US

1266
00:57:02,929 --> 00:57:01,049
government are hiding the existence of

1267
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:02,939
aliens in order to ensure the supply of

1268
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:05,130
helium is kept low or that the CIA the

1269
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:06,569
militant wing of the Freemasons are

1270
00:57:09,769 --> 00:57:08,339
working with the elders of zion to take

1271
00:57:12,259 --> 00:57:09,779
control of the population of the world

1272
00:57:14,059 --> 00:57:12,269
through fluoridated chemtrails canberra

1273
00:57:15,529 --> 00:57:14,069
skeptics incorporated on behalf of the

1274
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:15,539
shadow government will be massing an

1275
00:57:19,789 --> 00:57:17,249
array of dark forces for the australian

1276
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:19,799
skeptics national convention 2013 this

1277
00:57:23,149 --> 00:57:21,569
convention has conspired to coincide

1278
00:57:25,459 --> 00:57:23,159
with the 50th anniversary of the

1279
00:57:27,139 --> 00:57:25,469
assassination of John F Kennedy possibly

1280
00:57:29,179 --> 00:57:27,149
the most famous conspiracy theory of all

1281
00:57:31,009 --> 00:57:29,189
time if you've ever wanted to learn

1282
00:57:32,959 --> 00:57:31,019
about the truth behind the death of JFK

1283
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,969
what makes for a good conspiracy theory

1284
00:57:36,859 --> 00:57:34,859
and why they are so prevalent Canberra

1285
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:36,869
skeptics invites you to attend that is

1286
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:38,609
of course should you choose to accept it

1287
00:57:44,029 --> 00:57:41,609
come to national skeptics convention org

1288
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:44,039
and just remember they will be watching

1289
00:58:01,770 --> 00:57:58,710
i Richard you've done at the bumper show

1290
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:01,780
number 250 what a huge one I really like

1291
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:04,810
that stuff that made out comes up with

1292
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:06,700
these people he interviews Wow the early

1293
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:10,510
days of UFOs flying saucer mate may not

1294
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:15,090
is a bottomless pit of entertainment he

1295
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:18,130
is just incredible I want to thank Ross

1296
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:20,470
blood sure and Penny chan and and

1297
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:21,910
everybody else who appeared in today's

1298
00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:23,410
show was really great and all the people

1299
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,060
who attended the convention which I

1300
00:58:30,450 --> 00:58:28,720
didn't and also I know are but also a

1301
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:30,460
reminder for everyone to to attend the

1302
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,470
other Australian convention which coming

1303
00:58:35,609 --> 00:58:33,760
up in November as we mentioned earlier

1304
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:35,619
yes yes folks you've had you've had the

1305
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:37,990
word the message is that like the secret

1306
00:58:42,359 --> 00:58:39,790
Stefan if we give somebody the message I

1307
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:42,369
as a message yeah i Nev is the only if

1308
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:43,660
you do it psychically through dead

1309
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:46,300
people I see well this is a better

1310
00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:48,010
message come to the Australian skeptics

1311
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,100
convention in November and what what how

1312
00:58:55,230 --> 00:58:52,960
can we entice people to come along ah

1313
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:55,240
they can have a photograph taken with a

1314
00:59:01,770 --> 00:58:58,330
picture of me ah them what what what

1315
00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:01,780
better enticement than that rigid oh not

1316
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:03,400
with not with the real me I'll just hold

1317
00:59:08,849 --> 00:59:05,380
up a picture of me it's all right a

1318
00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:08,859
cardboard cutout oh and a reminder for

1319
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:10,600
those that's those those groupies that I

1320
00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:12,970
met yesterday and that they maybe they

1321
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:14,950
can make contact with us and yeah we'll

1322
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:16,150
do some networking with him because that

1323
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:18,190
that was that was a lot of fun skeptic

1324
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:19,420
zone groupies what an interesting

1325
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:23,230
thought yes well let's let's sign off

1326
00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:25,780
and get out of here for show 251 next

1327
00:59:32,130 --> 00:59:28,900
time 251 you mean I have to do this all

1328
00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:32,140
over again Oh Richard your tireless and

1329
00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:34,900
we love you for it so let's do it see

1330
00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:43,160
you've been listening to the skeptic

1331
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:48,180
zone visit our website at www skeptics